Lumberton ISD is once again in the news. This time it is over a prayer that a Lumberton principal (more on what happened at the Lumberton graduation below)did at a Kindergarten graduation. The principal, Kevin Wing, is one of the best principals running one of the best schools in Lumberton. Wing asked the parents if they mind if he said a prayer for the safety of the kids over the summer. That was it. Fortunately, this Christian prayer incident is not likely to cause any anger in Lumberton, TX. In fact, he will probably get an thank you from many parents who would like to see more prayers in school to combat the moral decline that we have seen over the years in America. He certainly should not get in trouble. If a teacher can walk around the school with a Vote Obama shirt on and not get into trouble, and if a different teacher can ask students to wear Muslim Burqas and not get into trouble, then it would be discriminatory to punish this principal for a simple school prayer. I didn't even call for the teacher involved in the Burqa incident to get disciplined, I just thought the lesson was a bad idea and should not be allowed. Teaching about religions and other cultures is ok, but having them wear a religious garment goes too far, especially since it was not taught that women could be killed in Muslim countries if they do not wear the Burqas. With that being said, this principal who said a prayer should not get into ANY trouble.
It is interesting that the Freedom from Religion Foundation had no problem with students wearing Muslim Burqas at Lumberton Texas Schools but they have a problem with a prayer at a graduation.... obvious hypocritical double standard!
Prayer in School is NOT ILLEGAL
Contrary to what Liberals, Atheists and the Freedom from Religion Foundation says, prayer in school is not illegal. Every once in a while these groups will sue and try to take "Under God" out of the Pledge or prayer out of the public arena because they somehow think having to hear the words Under God forces them be believe in God. They cry out about government not being able to establish a national religion but they forget about government also not being able to prohibit the free exercise thereof. I do understand things are a little different at schools because staff have a position of authority over kids who are learning. Because of this, school staff generally should not get involved in leading prayer or religious activities at school. It is not illegal but it might get the school involved in a lawsuit if a parent wants to sue to stop prayers from happening. That being said, STUDENTS CAN PRAY in schools and at school public events. Principal Wing did not pray in a classroom setting. He was not with the kids by themselves in a learning environment. He was with the parents and did not try to push any religion. He only asked for protection for the kids. No big deal, just don't do it again, nothing to see here, move along. Do not give in to the Atheists though, Principal Wing should still have the prayer, but NEXT TIME JUST LET ONE OF THE KIDS PRAY. Liberals and Atheists get mad when school staff pray but they can't do anything about a kid praying at the graduation.
The Prayer at the Lumberton Kindergarten Graduation - Hardin County District Clerk was witness - The Letter from FFRF
In east Texas, prayer at just about every public meeting, sporting event, and graduation is the norm There is nothing illegal about it. Prayer has been a pillar of just about every public event and even government meetings since the founding of the United States of America. We even get our rights in America from our "Creator."
Here is what happened in Lumberton according to the Hardin County District Clerk, Pam Hartt, who was at the graduation and saw what happened:
"Yes I was there for my son.....he said if y'all don't mind I want to say a little prayer for these children...the we all bowed and he said a simple prayer like..protect the children this summer, be with them through their educational journey and for parents and teachers as we bring them up....very short and sweet and then we all said pledge which of course says one nation under God"
Not long after the graduation, LISD received a letter from the Freedom from Religion Foundation threatening the school over the prayer. They said they got a complaint from an anonymous parent, but it is more likely that there was no complaining parent and the organization just heard about the prayer and decided to attack. This organization sends letter like this all the time and they typically get shot down. Freedom from Religion Foundation just lost in court right down the road from Lumberton in Kountze, TX when they tried to not allow students to put Bible verses on signs that the students make. They do not care about the Constitution, they only care about destroying Christianity the Constitutional right of religious expression.
Bottom line, there is nothing illegal about what happened at the Lumberton Kindergarten graduation. The principal should not get into trouble. It was a one time event and from now on the principal should just make sure it is a student praying instead of the principal so that thee liberal nuts do not come after the school.
Thanks Principal Wing! The residents of Lumberton, TX support you!
Lumberton Muslim Burqa Incident and CSCOPE
Recently, the Lumberton ISD was in the news because of a lesson that involved students wearing Muslim Burqas. This lesson did not sit well with parents in the school district. The Burqa incident even led to national scrutiny of other, unrelated curriculum lessons being taught all across Texas called CSCOPE. The CSCOPE curriculum contained everything from anti-American lessons to seemingly pro-communist and pro Islam lessons. Needless to say, CSCOPE did not stand a chance after outraged Texans and even the Legislature came after it. CSCOPE eventually pulled all of the lessons, but there is belief that the lessons will still be pushed into Texas schools via other online programs that are not transparent.
Sincerely,
David Bellow
Lumberton Resident
GET RID OF THOSE THAT WANT TO REMOVE GOD FROM OUR COUNTRY. SEND THESE MUSLIM SOB'S BACK TO THERE COUNTRY.AND OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE T SEE AMERICA DESTROYED STARTING WITH THE OBAMA'S.....
ReplyDeleteDo not let the anti-God groups intimidate you. Support Principal WING.
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ReplyDeleteYou provide no proof that prayer in school is legal but just say it and assume everyone will believe you. How Christian-esque of you. This principal is just as stupid as the other two teachers you mentioned. Why is it so hard for you people to leave the religious and political bs at home?
ReplyDeleteif it is illegal that means there is a law against it.... there is NO law against prayer in school. Can you show me the law please?
DeleteNumerous supreme Court rulings such as http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Independent_School_Dist._v._Doe
DeleteThis is also not what happened at the school, and you're assumption that "no one reported" it and the FFRF felt like attacking is unsubstantiated -- and wrong. I have recording of the event and the principal didn't "ask" about the prayer, and he DID instruct the children to pray -- a clear violation. That is illegal and backed up by multiple supreme court rules. Your religious zealot agenda does not have the right to impact the learning of a diverse group of children.
Deleteanonymous.... once again, what happened is NOT illegal. There were NO laws broken. Currently, the latest supreme court decisions have said principals should not pray.... so, no laws were broken, but because the supreme court has ruled against it, if someone wanted to file a lawsuit to get the principal to stop praying then they could, but since this was a one time thing that will likely not happen again then a lawsuit is pointless... the principal just needs to let the kids lead prayer next time and there will be no issue.... and he did not make the kids pray, he just said a prayer so I don't know what anonymous video you are watching
DeleteVideo of the event was collected and sent to the FFRF. I'd be happy to send it to you so you can see firsthand your misunderstanding of the event. It clearly shows the principal instructing the children to bow their head and participate in his school-official led prayer. The U.S. Supreme Court first ruled against school-sponsored prayer in 1962 in Engel v. Vitale. Since then, they have consistently ruled against school-sponsored worship, while permitting voluntary student-initiated religious activities. What this principal did may not have been technically "illegal", it does violate separation of church and state. There have been numerous amendments filed trying to allow a "voluntary" prayer in schools. So, if it's not unconstitutional for officials to lead prayer in school, why do we need an amendment to allow it? As the FFRF says "Public schools exist to educate, not to proselytize. Children in public schools are a captive audience. Making prayer an official part of the school day is coercive and invasive." In short, it's bigotry and immoral and parents/children of opposing religious have the right to speak against it.
DeleteSpeaking specifically to commencement addresses, I direct you to the following factoid. In 1992, the Court ruled in Lee v. Weisman that prayers at public school commencements are an impermissible establishment of religion: "The lessons of the First Amendment are as urgent in the modern world as the 18th Century when it was written. One timeless lesson is that if citizens are subjected to state-sponsored religious exercises, the State disavows its own duty to guard and respect that sphere of inviolable conscience and belief which is the mark of a free people," wrote Justice Kennedy for the majority. He dismissed as unacceptable the cruel idea that a student should forfeit her own graduation in order to be free from such an establishment of religion.
David Bellow, I myself am a Christian and agree with much of what you have to say, but I would suggest you stop acting "holier than thou" and start using grammar correctly.
ReplyDeleteYall talk about the "Liberal nuts" like they aren't just living out their beliefs the same way you're living your conservative ones. That's why lumberton is so fucked up. You care too much about other peoples personal lives. Just put your goddamn differences aside, say hodwy neighbor, and go about your life.
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